Veterans’ Day is one of those holidays that always makes me sad, not simply because of the reason for the day, but because of the significance that some people never dwell on. In an age where a large portion of society wants to complain that any war, not just the ones we are currently involved in are manifestly unjust, it is easy to lose sight of two inevitable truths:
1. No matter how much you may believe war is unjust, and that violence is never an answer, the fact is that sometimes, wars come to you, no matter how you conduct yourself; and
2. Whether we are discussing a war of aggression or of self-defense, the men and women who answer the call do so with the full knowledge that they may be expected to give everything, including their lives.
It is for the people who answer that call, and not the cause for which they sacrifice, that we honor on this day.
Every conflict in which our nation has fought in the last century or so has had its own flavor, and as a friend recently reminded me, this is captured in the memorials which commemorate them. On this day, I refuse to pass judgment determining whether a particular conflict is good or bad. Good or bad, Americans fought, and Americans died. Some never came home, some came home in boxes, and some came home with their innocence forever surrendered to places with unpronounceable names, or generic designations. Some came home haunted by the things they have seen, and some came home able to reconcile horrors that they witnessed with a life filled with the mundane and the ordinary. And good or bad, some conflicts just touch us, even if we didn’t fight in them.
For me, that conflict would be Vietnam, probably because so many of my friends’ fathers served there. Some of you in the same age group as me know what I am talking about. Those moments where someone’s Dad would lapse into a story about something they saw there…something that changed them. And to a man, every one of them I knew growing up had an undeserved shame. For some it was the shame of coming back to being spit on and called “Baby Killers” by people who had never been there, and never did what they had to do. For some, it was guilt over being alive when people they had known, had lived with, and had trusted with their lives, fell long ago in steamy jungles on the far side of the world. And for some, it was shame over betrayal. The betrayal of their sacrifices, and the lives of friends and colleagues by a government that micro managed the war, and eventually did what was politically expedient rather than what was right. The shame that only a betrayer can feel in leaving so many to the certain death at the hands of an evil and destructive political philosophy that treats men as interchangeable parts and not the unique individuals they are. A political philosophy that we promised to save them from.
That is a heavy weight for anyone to bear, and it is bitter compensation for those who gave up their childhood and innocence for the service to their country. It can be easy to forget that this conflict, like all conflicts, was ultimately dependent on the soldier. I took some time reading some letters home from one of these soldiers to remind myself of that. I think this one helps to bring this idea home. I don’t know if Mike made it home. I hope that he did.
Jan 12, 1969
Dear Family,
I got the package yesterday, and I was real grateful. We are low on C-rations, and there is hardly any water.We are supposed to be out in the bush for 4 days, but it ended up we’re still out here. It’s been about 2 weeks now. We are guarding this road. Making sure no VC get anywhere near the 1st Battalion, 1st Marines area, (1/1). Every afternon I’ve got gate watch. We all take turns from dawn to dusk. We just have to check out the ID’s of the civilians going up and down the road. If they don’t have an ID they are suspected of being a VC. The gate is a big cement grave. Our whole perimeter is set up in a big graveyard. In fact, our bunker is on top of a cement grave with sandbags on all sides. On one end we built a little hootch, and our machine gun is set right on top where the body was laid. I think that’s pretty cool. Inside the hootch there is the tombstone with all kinds of Chinese writing on it. At night we have a candle burning inside to see by.
Last night I went on a fire team-sized patrol, a fire team consists of 4 people. The leader was some corporal who I don’t feel safe with at all. He got here in Vietnam the same time I did, but he was put in charge right away because he’s a corporal. He goes by the book on everything. If we get hit we aren’t supposed to fire back, only on his command. I’d rather be with somebody that has a little more time in country, and knows what to do.
In about 5 months I will be the machine gunner for this squad, and in about 7 months I will be team leader. All the other guys in this gun team will be going home around the same time. Now I’m just the last ammo humper, but I don’t mind just as long as I gradually learn my job.
Soon I will have T-I-C, (time in country), and the experience. That’s what counts here.
I’m learning this language ok now, but the Marines only know a few phrases like “come here,” “go away,” “let me see your ID,” etc; but I want to learn more than this.
Mom, you were wondering what kinds of birds they have here. They are beautiful, nothing like in the USA. There’s swans, and big white birds with long necks, and ordinary birds with crowns on their heads, and then other birds that look like sparrows, only half their size.
I’m glad to hear you had snow. I kind of wish it would snow here once in awhile.
Enclosed are some pictures. Could you save them for me? They’ll get ruined over here. You can have the ones of me if you want. Also enclosed is part of a diary I started when I first got here. I’d better go now.
Mike
I can’t make you ponder the meaning of this day, and I can’t make you thank a veteran for doing what they did, but I will suggest that the kind of humility that comes from doing so can enrich your understanding of the day.
Thank you to Jim’s Dad, Troy’s Dad, Dan’s Dad, MCPO Airdale, BrewFan, Dick, and all the other veterans I know. Thank you.



“The betrayal of their sacrifices, and the lives of friends and colleagues by a government that micro managed the war, and eventually did what was politically expedient rather than what was right. The shame that only a betrayer can feel in leaving so many to the certain death at the hands of an evil and destructive political philosophy that treats men as interchangeable parts and not the unique individuals they are. A political philosophy that we promised to save them from.”
You sure you arent describing the Afghanistan War?
Thanks for the kind words. I was working in the SE Asian ops comm section of the NSA when that helicopter landed on the roof.
Anyway, I never faced a shot fired in anger so I’ll keep just a little of your thanks and send the great majority to those who did.
Good job, BiW, and a ditto on the thanks to those who served.
Thanks for the cross-post, BiW. Very nice job.
BiW, an excellent piece. I’m a bit confused by the betrayal portion … are you saying we should not have left Vietnam when we did?
A small anecdote: I had a boss who served in Nam. I didn’t know it until one day in the cafeteria the topic came up and he suddenly looked very emotional. I realized in that moment there was nothing I could or should say. He saw things I will never see in my lifetime. My generation, beyond some intellectual blathering, is clueless about the reality of Vietnam. As I looked at my boss I realized I was ill prepared to say a damn thing.
I don’t see the point of debating the war with veterans especially if one didn’t serve. They weren’t there as politicians or ideologues. They were sent there to fight for their country. They did what was asked of them and saw unspeakable things. Honor them and leave them the hell alone.
Thank you for a very moving post. This is always a somber day for me. My father was killed in Korea, and I lost so many friends and brothers in ‘Nam. Thank you especially for not being judgmental about any war. This day is not about whether any particular war was justifiable or not. It is about those that served.
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Tell you what saddens me. Though it is sprinkling here today, I am the only one in my neighborhood who even has the flag out. Let’s hope that is the weather and not another moment in thanklessness.
Thank you Vets.
Putting my hand over my heart during the national anthem or putting out the flag seems so insignificant to one’s service. All I can add is that not only you but your families are always in my family’s prayers at the dinner table. And it’s heartfelt.
On behalf of the Taylor family, we thank you and admire you. I hope I have taught my children well to remember who it is that allows many of us our cushy existence.
We are well served.
Tex, I feel bad about not doing it this time of year, especially since I bought a really nice flag earlier this year, but since it is dark before anyone gets home at my house, I went with the decision that if I could not fly it properly, I wasn’t going to fly it at all.
Great post, BiW. Thanks for calling us to remember. We may have nothing we can say. We can listen. We can show gratitude. We can stay humble. We can honor those who served and risked so much.
Thanks BiW, greatly appreciated.
Thank you for an extremely well-written piece and for remembering. For so many of us, Vietnam will continue to be an experience that has not only left its mark but continues to influence our lives. In this time of an all-volunteer military, it is particularly important that those who choose to serve should have the support of the country for what they do, now and in the future.
It is an unfortunate truth that wars are created and won or lost not by the military, but by the politicians who make the final decisions without bearing a fair share of the results.
Thanks again for your helping words.
Excellent comment regarding politicians role in wars vs the military. I completely agree.
BiW, maybe this is for another post but Maine alludes to another interesting point I think is worth discussing. Is the draft immoral? Should citizens be involuntarily enlisted to risk their lives in a war?
I’m truly just throwing this out there. I don’t immediately come down one way or the other.
Just couldn’t leave it alone, huh, Rutherford? Had to take the discussion elsewhere to suit your tastes. You’re an ass – I bet you fart in crowded elevators, too.
BiW – excellent post. This is truth: “It is for the people who answer that call, and not the cause for which they sacrifice, that we honor on this day.“. Some of here recognize that, and honor those who served and currently serve.
First, you’re kinda late with your valuable opinion on the piece.
Second, BiW had a brief exchange at my blog that he would be willing to entertain discussion on the post the day after but that he wouldn’t be addressing side questions on Veteran’s Day itself. I understood and respected his preference.
Third, Maine made a reference to an all volunteer army. I wanted to examine that notion a bit which is my right.
Fourth, since you’re not the blog moderator you don’t get to decide which direction the discussion goes in. If you don’t like my direction ignore it.
Fifth, go f*ck yourself.
P.S. Have a nice day.
Wait til the leftists complete their social experiment with the military, you will need a draft then.
If by social experiment you mean the end of DADT, believe me it will not slow down military recruitment one bit. Keep your head in the sand Elric … folks in a bunker don’t care about sexual preference.
By the way, why are you still gay on your Myspace page? Still haven’t gotten around to changing that heh? The joke (if it was one) stopped being funny years ago.
Should citizens be involuntarily enlisted to risk their lives in a war?
Yes.
Great post. Looking into the author it looks like he made it home and was around for some time,providing “Mike” in the letter is the same Bailey attached to the other parts.
I remember seeing a letter in a book from a kid in Vietnam who was chatting up his folks about his day to day,weird stuff like his eyeglasses and weather. Beside it was the telegram notifying the family of the guys death.
There is a lot of emotion behind seeing letters from past wars or today the various embeds,YouTubes etc that serve as remembrances of those in Iraq and Afghanistan today.We do well not to forget those who served or are serving,let alone those that gave all.
Video: School tells student to remove flag from his bicycle
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/11/12/video-school-tells-student-to-remove-flag-from-his-bicycle/
This is what Vets are fighting for. Hope you drones are happy in what you created.
You know whats hilarious? A drone that never served thinking it knows whats best for the military and the mindset of the men and women that serve. Typical leftist drone.
R, this morning has been kind of busy, but I hope to have a new post up later today on DADT, Volunteer vs. Draft, and your question about Vietnam and Betrayal. It will be a “throw the questions out there” post, where I expect that the comments will be the real meat.
BiW … many thanks. I appreciate that and I’ll withhold further comment until your next post.
Thanks, Bro.
BiW,
I was thinking about the morality of pacifism, and would like to get your input.
‘No matter how much you may believe war is unjust, and that violence is never an answer’
I understand that people hold these thoughts, but can’t square the circle. Do pacifists believe that it is wise to allow family members to be killed rather than to defend them with force?
Is this a belief system that never needs to be employed so therefore doesn’t need to be thought about? Does it provide cover for cowardice or supposed moral superiority?
MJ
Your question reminds me of the Kenny Rogers song “Coward of the County”. The protagonist’s father goes to jail and tells his son to go another route, and to always turn the other cheek. The son follows this advice until his girlfriend gets gang-raped and then he kills the rapists. The moral of the song was “sometimes you have to fight to be a man”. Until he was violent, he was considered “the coward of the county”.
So your question is a very good one. Are pacifists really just cowards or do they stand on a higher moral ground? While I am not religious, another question is how does lack of pacifism square with Christianity?
Sorry to get into this here BiW rather than on your next thread but I wanted to comment on MJ’s comment.
Aside from the oddity of you quoting Kenny Rogers, there is another parable to the story.
Had folks not been pacifists to the rapists, then it would have taken such violence against those we love to be resolved.
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” – Edmund Burke
That would be WOULD NOT… Long weekend…
an800lbgorilla,
Too true. In the end pacifism ends up leading to more violence and more death. But hey, as long as these smug pacifists feel superior, thats all that matters, right?
Well, since we seem to be discussing this here, I guess I’ll put up my own response after church.
BiW,
Well it seems Sharia law in the US doesnt interest the drone…..
Yet…