Seriously. If no one who is on “our” side is going to grow some balls, then we should all get used to living in a world where a small minority empowered in the victimhood gets to dictate ridiculous rules to the rest of us.
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April 9, 2012 by Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere
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If no one who is on “our” You lost me. Our team? You sound like Rush Limbaugh …. our team.
I only heard some of the more juicy exceprts of Derb’s column and truthfully I laughed out loud. My attitude was if blacks are going to advise their kids how to behave around whites, then it’s only fair for the reverse to happen.
Unfortunately, Derb’s history put a damper on my reaction somewhat. I understand him to be an avowed racist. So the question is not why NR fired him but why they hired him in the first place. Mark sums it up nicely with this question: If Derb’s piece is sufficiently beyond the pale that its author must be terminated immediately, why is its publisher — our old friend Taki — proudly listed on the NR masthead?
My question to you, my First Amendment groupie, is this: Is there no sentiment so vile that it deserves to fall short of the editorial standards of a publication?
Thanks for correcting your opening sentence. So who exactly is “our side”? The side that encourages virulent racists? Is that the “side” you’re proud to be on?
Conservatives, clueless.
To be perfectly fair, I just went and read the entire Derbyshire piece. As one person in the comments section put it, his “talk” is poison for the young mind. Yet I suppose the bottom line is that Derb lives or dies by what he puts to paper and kudos to Taki for giving him a venue to expose what an assh*le he is.
I wondered how long before the conditioning would fully manifest itself.
Unfortunately, Derb’s history put a damper on my reaction somewhat. I understand him to be an avowed racist.
A conclusion reached, no doubt, by your long history reading National Review.
My question to you, my First Amendment groupie, is this: Is there no sentiment so vile that it deserves to fall short of the editorial standards of a publication?
Well, my Constitutional scholar, for starters, it isn’t really a First Amendment issue, since there was no government action involved in these events.
That said, Derb did have a long history of “being controversial”, which is PC for “saying things some people didn’t like”.
And that didn’t change after they hired him. And there he remained, for quite some time.
Now he wasn’t my favorite at NRO. I didn’t make it a habit to read his pieces. That said, what happened in this instance wasn’t a sudden fit editorial integrity, after all, they let him write there for a long time, and STILL have the association with the party that published the “offensive” piece.
This was a surrender to a well-organized but definately small outrage machine. It does nothing for discourse when everyone decides that the right not to be offended, invoked by people who largely do not represent the NRO audience to begin with, moves us to a point where we cannot discuss the merits of something that might be hurtful and move straight to “YOU CAN’T SAY THAT!!!!”
Like it or not, Eric Holder was right. We cannot have an honest conversation about race in America, but it isn’t because whitey isn’t willing to engage. It’s because we have allowed victimhood to be empowering, and we allow those who use it to make damn sure that conversation is never had.
If you want to have a conversation on the now infamous “10(_)” points, we can have it, Rutherford. And I’ll point you to some concrete examples, but I don’t think you’ll enjoy it much.
There is absolutely no reason to discuss the 10( ) points because Derb presents them absent any historical context. Furthermore, this notion that violent blacks descend on a regular basis on peaceful white gatherings is total bullsh*t. We have a segregated society. Blacks for the most part hang with blacks. They stay in their own neighborhoods. And yes, if those neighborhoods are crime-ridden then it makes sense for ANY sane person (whtie or black) to stay away from there.
Derb’s basic premise is blacks are inferior to whites, and in a very malignant way (i.e. more prone toward violence). That is the very definition of racism. And BiW to my great disappointment, if you subscribe to Derb’s world view than you too are a racist. I feel bad for your kids as you spread this sh*t down through the generations.
We have a segregated society. Blacks for the most part hang with blacks. They stay in their own neighborhoods.
And why is that? Why is it that 50 years after de-segregation, which came at the cost of plenty of blood from brave people of all colors, do we have a world where blacks self-segregate…whether it is “black proms and homecomings’ to the Congressional BLACK caucus? And why does society have to not just accept, but EMBRACE this blatant double standard? (and don’t you dare say there isn’t one…if someone actually tried to establish a white prom, or homecoming, or Congressional caucus, the ink wouldn’t be dry on the invitations before the usual suspects started with the wall-to-wall OUTRAGE!!!!111!!!!) Seriously, tell me why this is not just acceptable but desirable. I’d really like to know how you justify it.
Furthermore, this notion that violent blacks descend on a regular basis on peaceful white gatherings is total bullsh*t.
That isn’t what he said. Go back and read the infamous 10 () list again. And you’re correct. He offered no context. I can. And while the fact that I can may well indeed be “bullshit”, that “bullshit” isn’t my doing…one of those inconvenient facts that isn’t considered often enough by black “community leaders”, aside from guys like Bill Cosby, who was reviled and spurned because he dared utter some of those inconvenient truths aloud.
And BiW to my great disappointment, if you subscribe to Derb’s world view than you too are a racist. I feel bad for your kids as you spread this sh*t down through the generations.
My kids, being my kids, will draw their own conclusions based on their experiences, the same way that I did. They won’t have the same experiences I did, as they are not growing up near an urban center that was one of the “murder cities” per capita year after year while growing up. It isn’t likely that they will attend college at an inner-city campus where they are part of the demographic minority on campus. And since I will discourage them from careers in law, it isn’t likely that they will witness firsthand the daily parade of horribles that I have been looking at since 1993.
I can only guess at an answer here but I think it has to do with changing behavior, not hearts and minds. Desegregation laws prevented blacks from being excluded but could not possibly guarantee their inclusion with open and loving arms. I would imagne blacks self segregate because they don’t feel welcome in mixed surroundings. And I don’t see too many white families eagerly moving into black neighborhoods. Odds are, they don’t feel welcome there either.
Also, I have no idea why NRO suddenly developed a conscience. I kinda doubt it was due to any particular pressure. They’ve got their audience and they know how to please them. The question does remain why they continue their association with Taki.
I’m guessing this is an NPR/Juan Williams scenario where NRO was probably itching for a reason to part ways with Derb for quite some time and finally had a good excuse.
You know as well as I that when folks are censored, whether by the government or private enterprise, everyone screams “freedom of speech”. You have said on occassion that the no where in the Constitution is there a right NOT to be offended. And I submit it is the spirit of the First Amendment that drives your obsession with letting folks spew garbage in the public square.
I don’t scream “freedom of speech!” when private actors are involved. If you think otherwise, you should re-read the rules I have had posted for quite some time. I’ve always been clear about whose soapbox this is.
As for the right not be offended, there is no legal basis for such right, as I have correctly pointed out in the past. However, from a cultural and societal standpoint, it is a estructive idea.
Any society that will embrace the idea that someone can or should be silenced because they say something that “offends” someone is a repressive one, and the idea that anything uttered which the “right” person or persons deem offensive is utterly without merit and is unworthy of any discussion, and therefore must be silenced is a society that is no longer capable of honesty. This is the truth that underscores the entire notion of political correctness, and that threatens western society. We see it played out every day, like when a “white hispanic” is deemed guilty of a race crime by the right people (screw the law, screw the notion of due process), but when a muslim invokes his faith before opening fire on his fellow soldiers and kills several, we look for any reason to avoid calling it what it is: terrorism. And the absurdity almost parodies itself. We live in a country where an Attorney General has referred to “his people”, and called those who he clearly doesn’t consider “his people” cowards for NOT engaging in an “honest discussion” about race, when the leaders among “his people” clearly are not interested in having that discussion, choosing instead to find slight and insult where none exist.
It boils down to a small group seeking to censure the speech of others and to not even do so by an objective measure while they do it.
It is insanity.
It is madness.
And when that insanity, and that madness is made manifest, we will be very lucky if we are not consumed in bloodlust and fire.
My only quibble (for now) with your response is that Holder said “we” — blacks and whites — do not have an honest conversation about race. I don’t recall his laying this simply on white people. (On a side note, John McWhorter says we talk entirely too much about race.)
McWhorter is correct if I take his point to mean that there is a lot of talking but nothing much said of any consequence.
The vicious overuse of the words “racist” and “racism” for political gain has brought us to a point where any discussion of objectively observable, easily verifiable facts will get one tarred with that brush.
I’ve had enough of it. Call me a racist if you like; it no longer affects me.
The New Black Panthers say they want a race war. Let’s see: 13% of the country against the rest — and the rest is much wealthier and better armed.
Are you boys sure about that? Oops, I’m not supposed to call a bunch of violently inclined, massively antisocial Negroes “boys,” am I? Well, add it to the rest of my sins.
Jon Stewart made an excellent observation about the New Black Panthers. Have you ever noticed that whenever you see a picture, it’s the same three dudes all the time?
Just how big is the New Black Panthers? I’m guessing about 20 dudes. It’s a dumb distraction that insecure white people like to toss in the air to make us think the sky is falling.
And Francis, let me be very clear, if you think telling your kids that blacks are dumber than whites, proven by statistics, is a good idea than you are as much of an assh*le as Derbyshire.
Ha. That’s hilarious Rutherford. Let’s just judge racist/hatey groups based on their size.How many members do they need before we should get interested? Malik Zulu Shabazz is on the radio up here in Detroit all the time, so he certainly gets plenty of opportunity to get his views out there.
But, no big deal. I’ll remember that the next time the media goes crazy about a few racists white people.
I think it takes more than a few hate-mongers to actually start a race war. No one gets their panties in a knot over Rush Limbaugh because they think he’s going to rally a bunch of male chauvinist pigs to raid innocent women’s houses and take away their birth control. Rush inspires ire purely on the content of his rhetoric.
Now if you want to say that the New Black Panthers (all four of them) are reprehensible in their rhetoric, I’m 100% with you. If you think they are going to start a race war, you need a prescription to some anti-paranoia medications.
So … we only judge the “hatefulness” of the messenger based on the chances he’ll start a race war or similar?
It is the media that give the NBPP/ Malik Shabazz oxygen. He inserts himself and inflames. While he doesn’t grow his ranks – much – he does get his message out. Including the message, to the citizens of Detroit, that the emergency manager dealo is racist and their all going to be slaves. If you think people weren’t listening, then you didn’t read the editorials in the paper that echoed his words.
Just out of curiosity Car in, how do YOU feel about this emergency manager phenomenon? It may not be racist but it sure as hell short-circuits democracy. I’m a bit surprised our host, and tireless defender of the Constitution hasn’t written a rant about it yet.
Democracy has broken down in Detroit. The electorate has shown itself to be unable to elect a functioning government. Everyone is so beholden to the various unions. What do you do when a city goes completely and utterly bankrupt?
Not to mention that without an Emergency Manager, the city becomes even MORE of a drain on the rest of the state, due to the revenue sharing scheme that the state operates under, and Detroit’s complete and utter inability to get its fiscal house in order.
I know that anything that forces government to be responsible with the taxpayer’s money is anathema to a good progressive like yourself, R, especially when the taxpayers still might have a few dollars to call their own after rendering to Caesar already, but the only way the opposition to the Emergency Manager is legitimate is if only the money of Detroit taxpayers was at stake, and not that of residents of Battle Creek, Alpena, St. Ignace, Grayling, and every other part of the state.
I’ve written about this before, so this isn’t the first time you’ve had it explained to you.</a>
I’m a bit surprised our host, and tireless defender of the Constitution hasn’t written a rant about it yet.
D’Oh! And who was the FIRST commenter on that post?
BiW, hard to believe a year has passed since that exchange on Michigan. I completely forgot about it.
Still seems to me far more reasonable (and less controversial) for the state to double its efforts to work with the duly elected officials of the city rather than oust them and take over.
Still seems to me far more reasonable (and less controversial) for the state to double its efforts to work with the duly elected officials of the city rather than oust them and take over.
Rutherford, contrary to the breathless musings of Butch Maddow, this is not a remedy that is undertaken lightly, or on a whim, politcal or otherwise. Aside from the not insignificant proceedure required to get there, in practice, you are talking about “duly elected officials” who have FAILED in every sense of the word.
The last time it was used in Flint, the city was in receivership, which is a polite way of saying bankruptcy. Services were on the verge of collapse altogether. And Third Term mayor Woody Stanley refused to even open the books for audit.
Now if it were just themselves that these voters were screwing with their “Screw it, I want the theiving, rotten no-good incompetent for office” approach, I’d say “Fine. Wall off those cities and be done with it.” but the fact is that they were ripping off other people, and had been for a while, and it gets tough to explain to a senior citizen in Marshall, or a small business owner in Tawas why they need to pay even more in taxes for services they don’t receive so that the unionized teacher in Detroit who is obviously incapable of actually teaching can be sure to get their annual raise and COLA adjustment.
There is NO accountability in the world you’re trying to envision, and it will fail because sooner or later no one will be able to “get theirs” at the cost of someone else.
The Flint mayor wouldn’t open his books for audit? Well then I find it puzzling that the citizenry of the city were content with such incompetent local government. Rachel Maddow (and liberals like me) viewed this with horror from afar. I’m curious if the emergency manager was actually met with relief by the citizens of the troubled cities (like Flint).
invoked by people who largely do not represent the NRO audience to begin with,
They’re the people who NRO wants to hang out, their ideological brethren, so to speak. And that’s why I don’t read NRO anymore.
Just how big is the New Black Panthers? I’m guessing about 20 dudes. It’s a dumb distraction that insecure white people like to toss in the air to make us think the sky is falling.
Big enough for Holder to give up on a conviction after the fact.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul/08/opinion/la-ed-panthers-20100708
And big enough that when they put out a ”Wanted Dead or Alive ” poster and offer a reward they are not arrested.
That’s why they’re important, their size is not important, what they show of Holder’s DOJ is.
I’m a bit confsued on your wanted dead or alive issue. Since when is such a poster against the law? Anti-abortion activists are well known for publishing the home and work addresses of abortion doctors with an intent to intimidate and they are not arrested.
I also can’t believe you’re carting out that old voter intimidation chestnut from over 4 years ago. If I remember correctly, it was the BUSH admin that initially dragged its feet and dropped the ball on that, leaving the Obama admin to pick up the pieces. Not to mention that when all was said and done, there really wasn’t a whole lot to prosecute.
So, it’s okay?
Abortion protestors haven’t publically announced bounties. Therein lies a distinct difference. Nice Deb put up a piece yesterday demonstrating how the law has actually been violated by the NBPP with its bounty.
If I remember correctly, it was the BUSH admin that initially dragged its feet and dropped the ball on that, leaving the Obama admin to pick up the pieces.
You don’t remember correctly. The case had already been won, because the government already had gained summary judgment. It was Holder who made the decision to actually DROP the prosecution AFTER the case had already been won.
I know you’ve already been directed once to the account of J. Christian Adams, a long-time DOJ prosecutor of civil rights cases, who already did you the solid of describing it all in great detail.
If abortion protesters put out a bounty on an abortion doctor and wanted dead or alive posters, they should be charged as well.
Rutherford, if you can find proof that such posters and bounties were put out and nothing happened, I’d like to see it.
We both know you can’t though so I wouldn’t spend too much time trying.
As for your trying to rewrite the history of Holder “losing” a case that was already won, nice try. That might fly at Balloon Juice, but in the sane world it doesn’t. The community-based reality is only loosely based on actual reality.
As for the size of the group you mentioned in your first comment, I wonder, did Jon Stewart also make fun of Holder for going after those 8 or so Michigan Militia folks?
You know, the one where the judge threw out all the charges except for a weapons-related charge against only two of them?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/27/critical-charges-dropped-against-michigan-militia/?page=all
Sorry,we all know Jon Stewart ignored that. I just like to make myself laugh every now and then.
Hmm, I see 2 instances of abortion doctors being killed.
Slepian from New York (Kopp, caught confessed sentenced)
Tiller in Kansas. (Roeder, caught)
1 instance of a anti-abortion activist being convicted:
Benham from North Carolina. (sentenced)
Operation Rescue organizing protests, resulting in arrests.
There must be hundreds more. Can you point them out, Rutherford? I’d like to know.
I don’t know. Perhaps we should also banish this writer as he more or less substantiates Derb’s “talk”.vis a vis crime.
Not talking about the clear tolerance for the breakdown of civilized behavior within a minority community and hyperventilating when such statistics are summoned does not magically make the situation better.
Those in the black community appear to have been fed a steady diet of racial grievance and victimization to the point they feel their every action is justified. They have bought into the idea that getting an education is being a sellout and that the hard work to advance that everyone has to engage in is just another case of the “man keepin’ em down”. This is not just my opinion but that of both Bill Cosby and Thomas Sowell. The fact that I even have to bring up to black men to try and insulate myself from the inevitable attack shows just how precarious any criticism of anti social behavior in the black community. The whole hell of it is most of the crime that is perpetrated is of black perpetrators on black victims. All this while the race hustlers protest a much more anomalous occurrence in Florida and ignore essentially the reversed situation in Arizona and constantly criticizing the police for actually patrolling where the preponderance of the crime is.
At this point the excuses are arrant nonsense as other visible minorities succeed in this country with just those attitudes of education and hard work. The difference is they have not been led down the primrose path that the older minority groups have been of racial grievance and false entitlement by those like the racialist demagogues Sharpton, Jackson, Holder and Obama who make their living by never letting old wounds heal and dividing us into conveniently stereotyped voting blocks. Men whose hated is transparent and whose lust for revenge palpable.
BiW I am confused about your post and comment thread here.
what Derbyshire said?
That NRO has retained certain connections?
That NRO responded when and how it did?
Derb offended people with a version of “the talk” for non-blacks.
I say non-blacks, because his children are bi-racial (his wife is asian).
The outrage machine aimed their outrage at NRO, which buckled to the complaints, and cut him loose. Derb didn’t publish it at NRO. He put it up at Taki’s Magazine. Taki is still associated with NRO.