From yesterday’s “Occupy Wall Street” silliness, Moron.org gives us this eager useful idiot:
This guy is the reason why we should think long and hard about fixing the publick screwls by sending even more money to them.
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The Freedom To Be Clueless
September 18, 2011 by Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere
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Speak, thou apparition!
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Kind of a shame you followed up such an excellent post from two posts ago with this Henny Youngman one-liner.
Maybe in the comments you’d like to elaborate on a few points:
1. What did the dude say that was so offensive, or intellectually lame? In a democracy shouldn’t the citizenry have more sway over what goes down than corporations?
2. Since you consider this guy emblematic of a broken public school system (of course you have no idea whether or not he attended private or dare I say it Catholic school his whole life) what is your solution? You don’t want to throw money at it, since we all know that everything can be improved for free.
Maybe once you answer these two questions, you’ll have a real blog post instead of a comedy routine. 😐
P.S. Wups …. I said earlier “a few points”. I have to be careful because AgileDog has difficulty with reading skills. He’s a real literal dude. So in advance, let me correct that …. “two points”.
What did the dude say that was so offensive, or intellectually lame?
That was a joke, right? Right?
Ok, let’s start with the “a corporation having more say than the American Public” trope, which is false on its face, because a corporation doesn’t get to vote. Those among “the American Public” who meet the qualifications do. Strike One.
Before you stray into the “money is speech” canard, you might want to explain why you apparently don’t want to apply the same outrage to issue-driven non-profits, 527 groups, and PACs. At least corporations pay taxes, and since they have “skin in the game”, both in terms of taxation, and regulation, both of which going to the heart of their raison d’etre, it seems to me that the leftist talking points are more about silencing those who don’t share the same viewpoints aren’t really willing to comply with the shakedowns and extortions practiced by those “people’s entities” that also are concerned with a bottom line, and use useful idiots to help them build them with Other People’s Money.
Second, as I pointed out to you before during your mindless repetition of the manufactured outrage over the Citizens United decision last year, there already are limits on what corporations can contribute. But please continue trying to scare the feeble-minded and the intellectually lazy with your grand lefty boogieman of “EEEEEVVVVVIIILLL CORPORATIONS”.
Finally, yes, I did assume that the vacuous twit is the product of publick screwls. This was not entirely without a basis, as most people I’ve known that went to private schools have better research and logic skills than this guy and his “ideas” demonstrate.
How much did “we” give to ACORN?
Seriously, I’ve never seen such railing rooted in ignorance like lib whining and hand wringing about corporations. Is it in an additive in the Kool-Aid they serve at the ding-a-lings anonymous meetings, R?
The dumb is strong in this one.
Ummm, dummie? If shareholders don’t like what corporations do, they can (a) find other shareholders who feel the same way and vote in a different Board of Directors; or (b) Sell their shares. But in many states, union membership is manditory, and in others, often compelled.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-abrams/no-joke-no-hyperbole-2012_b_967775.html
Oh, I forgot to answer your other question.
You start fixing public schools by allowing them to toss the ones who have no interest in learning. But that also presupposes that you actually have teachers who are interested and capable of teaching and inspiring kids to learn.
Sadly, it is little more than indoctrination and glorified babysitting at the moment, and will remain the same unless parents in general start to give a damn and demand more for their “infrastructure investment”.
Well first …. your three comments can now be considered the blog post. Good job. 😉
Your third comment puzzles me. Toss out uncooperative students. Doesn’t that fly in the face of mandatory education through grade 10 (or age 16 or whatever the current requirement is).
This begs a bigger question. Do you think it is government overreach to mandate a certain number of years of education? I don’t believe it’s in the Constitution. Should children be educated purely at the discretion of their parents or the discretion of a school system that can decide at their whim whether or not to “tolerate” them?
10th amendment.
Were you drunk posting Rutherford?
LOL, if anything I think BiW’s original post qualifies as drunk posting. But OK my bad …. mandatory school attendance is regulated at the state level (your cryptic one liner about 10th amendment).
Now that we have that sorted out, BiW really has not yet answered my question. What are we to do with these kids that the public schools are now empowered to kick to the street?
I don’t disagree that mistrust of corporations can go too far. With that said, I fully understand the concern that entities with more money than any individual can muster can exert undue control over governmental matters. With lobbyists, we are already in trouble … government is already dysfunctional pandering to them … and yes this applies to Dem administrations as much as GOP ones.
Just today I heard that “SuperPacs” will outspend the two “official” parties by a factor of 2 to 3 on campaign “information” dissemination. The public will be fed all sorts of garbage in support of and in opposition to various candidates and it won’t always be clear whence the garbage came or paid for it.
That should have read: “whence the garbage came or who paid for it.”
Rutherford, as long as public schools have to retain students who aspire to nothing more than being a diversion and glorifying stupidity, they will never be able to get the same results as private educators who can reject these students and not waste the time of the kids who want to be there.
As for your “Constitutional” feint, as has alteady been explained to you, education is the province of the states…the Other Sovereign you try so hard to marginalize and ignore.
Rutherford, what you missing in your simplistic analysis of “lobbyists” is that they ARE us, whether you are talking about AARP or the NRA or People United For the [Un]American Way, and this joining together was done to amplify our voices and focus our concerns.
I also remain unconcerned about what these groups spend, because your view is rooted in the belief that spending enough money trumps my ability to examine the issues and make my own decisions, which is both insulting and foolish.
Finally, I’d like you provide some examples of government pandering to corporations. The Citizens United ruling doesn’t count since you’ve alteady demonstrated that you are completely unqualified to speak intelligently about it.
R what climbed up your ass? You haven’t shown the vigor on display here at your own spot,,,what up wit dat?
I’m thinking the kid could be “there” for quite some time because I have serious doubts he has anywhere else to be.
Otherwise I think BiW has presented his case well enough for a ruling. He wins.
Time to ‘fess up. BiW: Rutherford is one of your personal charity cases, right? Either that or he’s your Harry von Zell, on salary to supply you with the straight lines no one else would!
I kinda like that second alternative Francis.
Hey BiW, you’re way behind on my payments. I’m gonna hire Tigre to sue you for back pay. 🙂
Ha.
I’d write better lines for you.
Nah Francis, Rutherford is suffering from post traumatic Obama disorder. Rutherford means what he said in his questioning – mindless and drifting, without purpose.
This man Rutherford was so vested in the Cult of Obama, it never occurred to Rutherford three years ago as he peed in his pants worshiping at the province of Caesar’s Styrofoam columns, caught up in the orgy, he was selling his soul for a political charlatan – the Robert Tilton of made for TV Presidents.
A shell of his former self, Rutherford now walks the earth as a zombie, mystified at what went wrong.
Wow Tex, that’s one of the nicest things you’ve ever said about me.
Well, Obama the supposed enemy of big business totally caved to the pharma industry in the health care debate. He also, via the mandate, guaranteed a steady supply of customers to the big health insurance providers.
Not a single banker has gone to jail for ruining our economy. If you ask me, business is having quite a ride on the backs of the Obama administration despite their protests to the contrary.
Caved to Pharma, or made concessions to it in order get the bill passed? And yeah, he created such opportunity for health insurance companies that some of them have decided to get out of the business altogether.
As for the bankers not going to jail for “ruining” our economy, it hasn’t happened because people like Bwarney Fwanks, Chris Dodd, Franklin Raines, and a whole host of other players in government would have to join them for their role in facilitating bad loans to begin with.
You mistake cronyism, which is giving favor to a select group of actors with pandering on a larger scale, which would be many of the thinkgs the left is usually against…reducing regulation, a favorable tax strucure to enable growth and investment, etc.
What is foolish is your belief that your ability to “examine the issues and make your own decisions” amounts to a hill of beans when it comes to the direction of this country. Money determines to a large degree who gets to run for office. Money determines to a large degree what legislation gets considered for debate much less even passed. And I have not yet tripped upon the article which said “Paul Ryan is sitting on his budget proposals until he has a chance to hear how Blackiswhite Imperial Consigliere has examined the issues and made his decisions.”
Still I applaud your idealism.
Rutherford, where the hell were you in the 2009-2010 election cycle? If you don’t think that the Tea Party had an impact on candidate selection and election, in a way that significantly interfered with monied interests, you weren’t paying attention.
As Paul Ryan, I don’t think his plan when far enough in pruning back the encroachment of Fedzilla, but since he seems to be one of the few who not only have correctly identified the problem, but is also one of the few who has proposed a serious response, he has my support for the tie being.
Hmmm… Get rid of students that don’t want to be there..? The first time I heard that seriously discussed was at a Colorado State Convention of the Libertarian Party. Based primarily upon the fact the education is not mentioned in the Constitution. Hence, the DOE, and all things associated with it should be abolished.
Patrick, I actually come from a family of teachers. I mean teachers, not “union flaks who want to keep kids in failing schools because they are scared to death of parents using their tax money to put their kids into schools where the teachers teach and aren’t just babysitters who talk about stuff”.
My late father’s biggest gripe was that the kids who actually wanted to learn were constantly held hostage to the kids who didn’t give a damn (largely because their parents didn’t give a damn, unless you might fail their snookiewoocums, in which case, they were all about making sure their kid got a decent grade, not becuse they earned it, but because Mommy and Daddy bitched to the prinicipal)
Now I look at the profession (from the outside) and with a few exceptions, I don’t recognize it, and cannot reconcile its goals and behavior with its obligations.