Yeah, consider the headline your early April Fool’s. We know that the “wall between church and state” is only to be deployed if it is an evvvvvviiiiiillllll Republican talking about God in the context of policy, the same way that it is perfectly ok to turn to pulpit over to campaigning Democrats in election years. You’ll never hear threats and menacing statements about revoking anyone’s 501(c)(3) status then.
That said, Christians should be pleased. This is the third time President Downgrade has dragged his junior partners out from the closet they reside in when he isn’t claiming that they would support his various policy initiatives. And it is a curious strategy. I can’t think of anyone else who could campaign showing so much disdain for a religious group bitterly clinging to their Bibles and guns, and then just earlier this week, stand by while his HHS secretary issues a ruling that will clearly violate the religious principles of Catholic organizations and entities, and yet he comes to a Prayer Breakfast, makes a campaign speech which selectively quotes Jesus in support of what he wants to do, and he isn’t rebuked, corrected, or laughed out of the room. And what he said called for all three.
He presented his threadbare class warfare point of view about difficult times requiring a greater sacrifice by some, and then rolled into :
““And I think to myself, if I’m willing to give something up as somebody who’s been extraordinarily blessed and give up some of the tax breaks that I enjoy, I actually thinks that’s going to make economic sense.”
“But for me as a Christian, it also coincides with Jesus’ teaching that, ‘for unto whom much is given, much shall be required,”
Now this statement requires me to repeat what astute people have been saying since Warren Buffett opened his mouth and started pontificating about how he SHOULD pay more, and how it is government’s job to make sure that this patriotic duty is fulfilled by all wealthy people (despite the fact that he owes a ginormous sum that he already ISN’T paying): No one is stopping you from paying more if you think that you should. The US Treasury is happy to take any and all contributions above and beyond the tax bill than anyone is willing to make. This is true of Warren Buffett, President Downgrade, or anyone else who keeps talking about how they believe that they should pay more, but aren’t getting their checkbooks out. But more importantly, he misses the point of a lot of what Jesus says in order to leapfrog his way to this convenient conclusion. Like the fact that the commands Jesus gave regarding caring for people, especially the less fortunate, were made to individuals, not Rome. Jesus also wanted those individuals to do this voluntarily. That point cannot be stressed enough. Still, I don’t imagine that we’ve fallen so far intellectually as a nation that he could quote Marx directly and have it as well received as only quoting the part of Jesus that is actually favorable to you in a speech, so this is what he was reduced to.
He wasn’t done, however.
“We can’t leave our values at the door,” Obama said. “If we leave our values at the door, we abandon much of the moral glue that has held our nation together for centuries and allowed us to become somewhat more perfect a union.”
I’m sure the Catholics in the audience who were told earlier this week that starting in August, they were going to have to leave their values at the door were very comforted by this statement.
The President then went on to talk about his prayers and devotionals, and meeting with faith leaders in private, leaving me wondering if this was a case of him not listening to what they say, or if they were grossly incompetent in imparting the full meaning of the gospel message.
There is a silver lining to this, however. The more he drags God out of the closet where they currently store him, the harder it becomes to ignore him or put him back like some political prop. God’s funny like that, and the President wouldn’t be the first person to think he had God where he wanted him, only to find the reality of the situation to be very different. And the more he does it, the harder if becomes for his side to criticize others for doing it. And while that raises the likelihood for some serious rhetorical exchanges between people, it also means that we will be talking more about Jesus, and God, which is an opportunity to set straight a record that the Left has been skewing since 1949.
That is an opportunity that I relish.
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Comparisons have already started. The folks at the People’s Cube have focused their considerable talents on this.
h/t Matthew Morris
Taxes, Stupidity, and Death 
Ahhhhh and I relish this post. Let’s get a few things straight here.
First, Obama is a closet atheist (or at least agnostic) as sure as I’m sitting here. His pronouncements of faith ring hollow as hell to my ears. So the whole prayer breakfast is laughable. But all Presidents do it. It’s a tradition … an odd one for a secular government (I know I know …). Still I wish Obama would can it. Coming from him it’s pure bullsh*t.
Second, while I find the whole display ridiculous coming from Obama, I still delight in his throwing Christian dogma back in the faces of so called family values conservative Christians. And you’ve missed the point, my devout friend when you say Jesus wasn’t talking to Rome about charity. We can debate Romney’s assertion that corporations are people. But I can tell you a democratic government is the people and the conduct of that government should reflect the values of the people it serves.
Since you maintain this is a Christian nation, it therefore behooves the government to act in a Christian manner, according to the teachings of Jesus Christ. “For unto whom much is given, much shall be required” therefore applies. “Do unto others as you would have done unto you” also applies.. So do a host of other Christian teachings that hypocritical conservatives conveniently leave behind at the Sunday sermon when their own riches and power are at stake.
But I will agree with you (I’ve said it before) that if Buffet wants to pay more taxes, he should shut up and do so.
Rutherford, I do love it when you babble as if you had a clue.
Your understanding of Christianity is as shallow as President Downgrade’s, and you have repeatedly displayed all the understanding of a brick when it comes to the concepts it encompasses. (Who could forget your deft explaination of the concept of submission?)
But I will give you credit on the idea of government being us thing. It’s still very wrong both in the concept and in the execution, but it represents the most original thinking I’ve heard from you in a very long time.
If you ever get some command of the subject material, you might actually figure it out.
No BIC. Rutherford is far deeper in the abyss than Obama, Obama being a man who has at least been imparted by the Gospel message through periods of his life. While both may be equally of the devil, one by commission, the other by omission, Obama is clearly more clever in his argument than Rutherford.
Rutherford has been raised from birth that all religion is bunk, but Rutherford saves his most intense hatred for Judeo Christian conviction because Christianity plays the largest part of religious influence in this nation. Rutherford even sides with America’s enemies like radical Islam because the hatred runs so deep of Christ’s followers.
And Rutherford has little or no knowledge of that which he now tries to speak, which leads to the predictable conclusions. If those conclusions by Rutherford weren’t so personally damaging with respect to Christ’s message, and weren’t so antithetical to God’s Word – so deceiving in their application – in another place and time, Rutherford’s opinions could actually be funny.
Rutherford is much too shallow to understand that what Obama is demanding of the nation is not true charity of personal conviction, but forced charity as government dictates, how government dictates, facilitated through government channels and means, to be distributed by Caesar’s Roman Senate as it sees fit. This is an absolute repeat of history. I could give a hundred analogies of what is happening to this nation paralleling 2,000 years ago in Europe, and the list wouldn’t be complete.
When I called Obama, Caesar, I was serious in my description. And Obama’s speech and Rutherford’s conclusions parallel what has become of this nation the last sixty years.
The fact that liberals deny Jesus, only to use Jesus when convenient, is the clearest indicator to me of the reprobate mind and Lucifer’s work.
This is a very twisted individual you debate with when debating Mr. Lawson.
Tex, I’d simply say if you look at the conduct of our Congress, both Democratic and Republican, you’ll find few instances of Judeo-Christian fidelity. Bi-partisan hypocrisy reigns supreme in Washington.
But I’m not talking of Congress, but the Leader of this Country – a position that by itself is equal in authority to all of Congress. You yourself just admitted Obama is the epitome of phoniness and uses the speeches of religious cliche for political expediency.
Let’s assume for a minute I am right and you are wrong – Christ Jesus is indeed God manifested in flesh and His every word is Gospel truth. By definition, that is what Obama makes claim if he is to call himself a Christian.
Tell me something more egregious in its application than taking God’s Word from Christ’s own mouth, a God that our President denies in all capacities except rhetorical convenience, using it for the sole reason of self-fulfillment to obtain reelection.
It what way is your President any different than a pandering thief posing as Christian Evangelist, or a Republican Senator preaching family values while committing serial adultery and stealing from his constituency?
There is none – except the fact that this man you have so admired and sold out for three years ago, defending the indefensible on numerous occasions on your own blog only to later admit fault, just happens to be the leader of the free world.
If Obama can’t even be honest with respect to something as basic and core as his faith, and even you admitted he clearly is not, then why would even a reprobate like you put your trust and faith in this man and stake your progeny’s future in one so willing to clearly deceive?
There is only one answer, an answer which you can not admit to. You are as empty and self-serving as he is….
Voting, Tex, is an exercise in choosing among alternatives. I admit (have done so more than once) to a bit of giddiness regarding Obama back in 2008. This year is not a matter of putting trust and hope in the man. It is a matter of choosing him above other alternatives. The alternative we will most likely have at our disposal is someone who has openly stated the poor will not be on his radar and that he will very likely get us into a war with Iran. Both of those make him a non-starter for me.
Would you prefer I not vote?
Since I earned a very qualified kudo from you, please enlighten me on where I failed in execution.
In the belief that since government is “us”, “we” have the right to compel generousity.
Whether as individuals, or as a corporate body, we have no more right to compel generousity than we have the right to tell another human being what to believe. While there is a manditory component to the believer’s giving, the tithe, it is limited to ten percent, and it is meant for the church, not for Rome, because government’s role is not to perform charity…that is for the church, and the individual believer.
Now before you start with one of Hippie Prof’s favorite tropes “But the need is just too great”, you need to know that if you are going to argue that we have to apply Jesus, then we have to apply ALL of him and not just the parts that are convenient to what you want. Jesus repeated a truth from the Old Testament, “The poor shall always be among you.” Understanding this, and being charitable personally allows the believer to find and the heart of Jesus and to live it, as well as developing and using the spirit of discernment, and being accountable in how they perform that charity. Paying taxes to the government so it can fight a “War on Poverty” does none of that, and it in fact, ignores a larger perspective (the fact that the poorest among us is unimaginably wealthy elsewhere in the world). It separates us from the fundamental nature of our faith, and implies that our knowledge is greater than that of our Creator.
Well, may I say kudos to you for mentioning the tithe because while I was not going to go there explicitly I was going to mention the implicit pressure placed upon all parishioners to give to the church (in the case of televangelists the pressure is quite explicit).
Should government be an instrument of charity? That’s a big concept worth pondering a bit. Let me ruminate on that one Master Po.
War with Iran is probably inevitable – for reasons that should be clear even to a man of you limited conviction in anything moral.
You should have learned by now that there is only one thing radical Islam understands – power. Being Obama is the ultimate mealy-mouth, pandering, limp noodle, he will only delay the inevitable – and possibly cost millions their lives in the process. You might find, like FDR did, we should have acted sooner than later prolonging a horrible war.
Once Iran develops and threatens its enemies (which it couldn’t be more apparent they would sell to the highest bidder being they are the world’s terrorist proxy), and of which we are considered the Great Satan, even the pandering limp noodle will have no choice but to retaliate or take action sooner or later.
A vote for Obama is a vote against the future of this country. I would answer a definitive yes to your question if numerous proofs of Obama’s incompetency and vacuous dialogue have not convinced you of that by now. Obama’s record of failure couldn’t be more clear, even with the lies and propaganda of his fawning media.
However, I hold little hope for you with your track record and dearth of moral clarity.
The alternative we will most likely have at our disposal is someone who has openly stated the poor will not be on his radar
What could he do for the poor? Give them more of other people’s money? That’s a great strategy…until you have no more of other people’s money to take, because simply giving them some one else’s “stuff” does nothing to help them get more of their own, nor does it give them incentive to try.
Maybe we could throw more money at teachers, and continue the charade that this “education” spending will result in anyone being better educated?
Or maybe you do what you can’t to create more opportunity for the self-starters to do just that…and allow a large enough tide to lift everyone’s boat, rather that simply extorting the fruits of success from those who are successful.
Should government be an instrument of charity? That’s a big concept worth pondering a bit. Let me ruminate on that one Master Po.
There is nothing to ponder. If government does it, it isn’t charity. But the power it gives to government soon makes it a much larger priority than the fulfillment of government’s legitmate roles.
Ummm R
Who said this??????!!!!!!??????!!!!
Alfie, it doesn’t matter if they said it or not, because THEY SAID IT!
-Juan Williams, Serial Racist Code-Word, Dog Whistle Hearer, and World’s Only Living Brain Donor.
It also ignores the fact that we have 3 carrier groups in the Gulf already…on Obama’s watch.
To Alfie and BiW, one Willard Mitt Romney said it albeit in longer indirect sentences. Well not so indirect with the poor people issue. Mitt outright said that they have a safety net so he’s not so concerned about them.
Regarding Iran, he said during a debate that under Obama Iran will get the bomb and under Romney Iran will not. Now that tells me that he thinks Obama’s current method of sanctions will fail. What happens after failed sanctions? Military action.
I think you’ve accepted the spin and slander that has been dumped on Romneys comment re the poor. The poor indeed have a myriad of safety nets and hammocks available to them. It is also safe to say those same nets act like fishing nets keeping the caught captive. Rhetoric aside Romneys economic program has a sincere focus on helping to assure the middle class doesn’t need the safety nets.
As for his Iran policy it is not unlike Obamas current strategy. Perhaps a little more sabre rattling is in it but to deny the Tehran regime isn’t rattling the scimitar is equally foolish.
So when Obama does something with the three carrier groups that are already deployed there, you will then vote for the alternative?
Obama didn’t just “selectively quote Jesus,” BiW; He quoted Cain, Mankind’s first murderer, as the ultimate support for his notion of charity.
Obama, who has been called “the most intelligent man ever to become president,” is functionally a moron, and has morons for speechwriters at that. It boggles the mind that so many people think him brainy.
Is that what defines real intellect now? The ability with assistance of speech writers and a teleprompter to read a prepared speech in great voice? A Harvard degree?
I would like any liberal to explain to me what it is that Obama has demonstrated over the last three years that would designate Obama as “highly intelligent.”
Anything…
It does boggle the mind, Francis.
Your statement about Cain now forces me to listen to Obama’s prayer breakfast speech. I haven’t heard the entire content of the speech – just soundbites and read Obama’s supposed justification of Jesus as the impetus for his “social justice” agenda.
Not much of a “brother’s keeper” if his brother’s still living in a shanty in Kenya.
You may remember that one of Obama’s “spiritual” advisers is Jim Wallis a man notorious for embracing the socialist world view. So of course Obama is going to mouth the idea that Jesus was a socialist. Between that and sitting in the pews listening to “liberation theology” from the lips of race baiting hatemonger extraordinaire Jeremiah Wright he has been immersed in this hogwash for decades.
Keep this in mind: Jim Wallis is to Biblical interpretation as Howard Zinn is to America history.
Amen to that. My favorite line and one of the few here I can whole-heartily agree with. Oh, and this part (with the modification):
… it also means that we will be talking more about Jesus, and God, which is an opportunity to set straight a record that
the Left has been skewing since 1949.all parties and most individuals have continually gotten wrong since the fall of mankind.Gawd, I had forgotten how insipid and pathetic Al-Poolman really is. He’s so easily forgotten.
You’ll know you’re right with God BIC, when Al-Poolman tells you so. 😉
Allahu Akbar….ululululululululululu
Sorry to go O.T. BIC. Sometimes you find such a jewel explaining just how corrupt the entire Dimocratic party is, you got to find a place to stick it.
I posted this at Alfie’s, but it is important that everyone hear how radically stupid and what a hypocrite and liar Obama really is. Best twelve minutes to invalidate everything about Obama as qualification for President.
And like I said at Alfie’s – Rutherford and other Obama lackeys will attempt to question the authenticity because of the address of the link. The video has absolutely nothing to do with Sarah Palin. The link was a matter of convenience.
http://conservatives4palin.com/2012/01/video-canadian-talk-show-host-d
Yes, Tex has posted this Canadian blowhard over at Alfie’s too. How much is Ezra paying you to pimp his show Tex? 😆
Obama’s Keystone decision was clearly political. He didn’t want to piss off the tree-huggers in an election year. That’s why he initially said he’d rule on the matter after the election. If the GOPhers were really interested in doing what was right for America, they wouldn’t have forced his hand.
Ezra’s (the Canadian’s) only valid point was that Canada should go elsewhere with her oil if USA isn’t going to play. I agree.
Good stuff, Tex!!!!
Rutherford, you get more stupid and jaded by the day. That’s why I quit you – Poolman’s brother. You’re not even a worthy opponent anymore.
We’re talking about who we Americans choose to receive our imported oil from – the mainstay of our economy – our friendly neighbor or Saudi Arabia. And you’re ignorant enough to state Ezra didn’t even get that right. 🙄
You’re about one step above the mindless hacks at Fat Grannies. A shame because you showed potential once upon a time.
If the GOPhers were really interested in doing what was right for America, they wouldn’t have forced his hand.
If the President was serious about jobs, and doing what is right for America, then there was no reason to let those jobs twist in the wind and the oil to go somewhere else while he spent the next 11-12 months running for office.
Damn, I just watched our feckless President try to crawdad his way out of this overreaching, tyrannical mess he and those dual witches Kathless Sebelius and Valarie Jarrett have created, and not once did that dishonest bastard mention the word abortion. Not once…
The most disrespectful press conference I have ever witnessed. One word came to mind as feckless talked to the audience: shameless.
Abortion had nothing to do with the HHS ruling so at least know what you’re talking about before you talk.
What bothers me is the White House being too stupid to avoid this trumped up controversy in the first place.
What SHOULD bother you is the utter hypocrisy of the Catholic church that they really don’t give a rat’s ass about the “issue”. All they care about is the money. 👿
“What SHOULD bother you is the utter hypocrisy of the Catholic church that they really don’t give a rat’s ass about the “issue”. All they care about is the money.”
Why do you keep saying this over and over?
Because Rutherford is a partisan rube and self-admitted dupe, a craven bastard with liberalism as his faith – an Obama lackey unable to admit how egregious this act and how failed this feckless man for President. Even many liberals are outraged at the crassness and outrageous of this action – but not Obama’s real cocksuckers like Rutherford. They would as soon die as admit their guilt in shucking for this sorry bastard to get reelected.
Abortificients and infringement of the 1st Amendment have everything to do with it. The only thing being trumped up is the accusation of this being a trumped up controversy – the most craven disregard of the Constitution I have ever witnessed.
Obama is doing this for the health of women. 🙄 A health issue. That’s a bald faced lie. Can you believe anybody would be stupid enough to believe that? Worse, now that Obama has pinned himself in, his alternative solution is worse. He’s going to force the insurance companies to pick up the bill, then bill the church for its services.
It’s actually offensive how these thuggish liberals like Rutherford believe us to be that stupid.
I made this statement before the Council of Catholic Bishops essentially rejected Obama’s “compromise”. I thought the original reaction was money-centric. The Bishops proved me wrong and still have faith based objections.
Bravo to them, even though they DO live in the 14th century.
When Rutherford substitutes facts or logic for outrage, he’s wrong. Always.
And nothing stirs his outrage more than the liberal outrage machine, MSNBC.
Just look for the symbol: 👿 😈 All the simulated “disgust” that follows is. . . dead wrong.
Facts and logic trump pure emotion every time. I fully agree. As for your MSNBC meme, you only go there to piss me off. Congrats.
P.S. There’s nothing like a good emoticon to get off a little steam. 👿 😈 😡
And you proved my point. 😆
Tex, there’s no thought at all on the subject. Really pitiful.
BiW, do you look at you emails?
I just replied. I’m sorry I missed them.
My phone is supposed to buzz and blink at me when they come in, but they haven’t since Monday, apparently.
Obama is doing this for the health of women. A health issue. That’s a bald faced lie. Can you believe anybody would be stupid enough to believe that?
Yes. The Vagina Warriors of Klanned Parenthood and the beta males of the left.
Klanned Parenthood? 😆 Good one…
Before:
the Catholic institutions will pay for contraception and abortions
After:
the Catholic institutions will pay insurers who will pay for contraception and abortions
Sounds like solution straight from the blacked heart of nihilists like Rutherford. No wonder he found Bongo’s totalitarian solution satisfactory.
Klanned Parenthood is simply the “truth in advertising” name of Mags Sanger’s little eugenics organization.
The compromise was pure Obama…heads I win, tails you lose.
It doesn’t solve the issue of complicity, and if the Church bites on this, they are idiots to believe that the pricing for the “free contraceptives” aren’t part of the overall price just because it isn’t on the itemized bill.
Nothing is free. As consumers we are always duped by “free” shit. It doesn’t exist. Free for you means someone else is paying. Ultimately we all pay in the end.
I really did not know much about Planned Parenthood beyond what my wife and girls told me over the years. I knew the main opposition to them was regarding the issue of abortion. Since they have been under constant attack by “conservatives” since Obama took office, I have learned much more about them and the actual services they provide. Aside from a few isolated individuals and incidents, they are a definite benefit to our society.
Regarding their funding, very little is from tax revenues. They do receive tons of private donations and lots of volunteer help. I guess they have that in common with many of these “Christian” hospitals, except many of them receive more in tax revenues.
PP does not even provide the abortions of which they are accused. This is by far the biggest criticism they get. It turns out to be pretty weak. They refer those needing abortions to clinics and doctors that do perform them. Private practices. And that is only 3 percent of what they do. They offer counseling and preventative measures.
They are actually discussing sex and the consequences that can occur.
Because parents neglect to educate their kids. You know, don’t talk about our bodily functions or natural urges or sex AT ALL, and maybe it will go away. Idiots. Usually in the name of god. Don’t ask don’t tell ignorance.
Primarily PP provides women and men’s health screenings and exams at reduced rates, based on your household level of income and expenses. There are not many other places women or men can go for these services if they are without insurance or if their insurance limits them and doesn’t cover many of these health-related things.
And that IS the main point. The health insurance industry is private yet HAS co-opted government to impose its burden on the citizens of this nation. If the government requires it to be consistent in that position, what is the complaint? My problem is NOT with the government requiring it to be consistent, but in the fact that it requires me to buy/provide what that private enterprise provides at all.
And let’s review again what it is that health insurance actually provides? Peace of mind? Catastrophic coverage? Hell no. Insurance is like legal gambling, where the house’s risk has been defrayed. The provider ALWAYS makes back their investment and ALWAYS controls when and how the real health providers and providees do commerce. A royal scam. And now backed by Uncle Sam.
So you guys can tear PP down in the name of whatever self-righteous cause you claim to support, but know it is out of ignorance that you do. I know all the RW pundits have been beating that drum for some time now. I know how you guys are with your jumbo pride thingie, too. A little research in this department will shine some light on this one issue. Apparently it may require a change of opinion. I know that’s hard with all you have invested to the contrary.
I do not want to be forced to pay for health care or contraception. Mainly because I don’t need either. But if this is my government, I am forced to comply or try to change it. Change is inevitable. Hopefully it is for the good.
So you guys can tear PP down in the name of whatever self-righteous cause you claim to support, but know it is out of ignorance that you do.
I’ve looked into them plenty. And my opposition isn’t out of “ignorance” (but thank you for that…I do SO enjoy it).
My opposition is rooted in the evil it was born from, and the evil it still practices. And while some of the Vagina Warriors were saying that pulling funding from Klanned Parenthood was hurting women’s breast health during the Komen kerfluffle, I was interested to learn that many Klanned Parenthood centers don’t even DO breast exams. So why did they need that sweet, sweet Komen lucre again?
And actually, I was glad for that donnybrook, because it made me look at what Komen does with the money, too. As a result, money I might have donate to Komen goes to the American Cancer Society instead. So in a wierd twist of fate, by being a bully (with the help of some Senators who do not understand the notion of private property) Klanned Parenthood motivated me to learn more about their target. And they can have each other.
They don’t do mammograms, but screening. If needed, they refer them to a clinic that does do mammograms. They also give those who can’t afford full price a discount or free pass to those facilities.
Eeewww. the EVIL!!!
Only a small percentage of Komen’s donations go toward research. Most of it goes toward promoting Komen.
You and I both know that it isn’t about the screening or the “education”, it is about protecting the right to kill unborn children…even the ones who would grow up to be women, at all costs. The rest is window dressing to make people like you say “B-b-b-b-but they do good things!”
You merely pretend to know what I know. You are obviously not “educated” in the real truth about PP, and are just repeating the opinions of your prophets. I get that emotional reaction clouds understanding. I also know that there are real abuses that do take place. I also recognize a witch hunt when I see it…
http://consortiumnews.com/2012/02/11/the-founders-secular-vision-for-america/
Poolman, I sure haven’t missed you. You are one sorry bastard. You’re either one poor liar or one poor propagandist with a hell of a poor memory. In fact, you’re the stupidest man I’ve ever debated with and the most dishonest. You’re a boil on the ass of humanity.
Only a world class mooch like you would consider $400,000,000.00 of federal funding as little.
Only a mathematical moron would consider America’s largest abortion provider as no provider. They do in fact provide abortions – and even they admit to that and have “promised” not to use any federal funding for abortions. What do you think the outrage and argument is about idiot? Try over 300,000+ a year provided within their walls.
Your memory is null and void. Have you forgotten I proved to even to a fool like you that 37% of Planned Parenthood’s revenue is derived from abortion from their own income statement. Would you like to bet whatever little you have that you’re wrong, leech?
Assholes and fools like you are why America is in trouble. Why don’t you do something that would benefit America for once?
Leave.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/290859/nothing-squid-ink-ed-haislmaier
Tex, go ahead and walk through again on the numbers.
He obviously needs a refresher.
Unless you have something better to do…like watch paint dry.
Because the “good things” they do will always make them not only deserving of tax dollars, but also whatever private funds they can browbeat private charities out of.
BIC, it is difficult to correct a man of Poolman’s limited ability, because when proving him wrong, ten minutes later, he’s repeating the same lies he told ten minutes before because he has already forgotten he was corrected. So instead of passing jackboot an income statement with the calculations like I did the first time, I’ll just provide a link.
But rest assured, by tomorrow the phony bastard Poolman will be back to repeating the same lies once again. You can’t correct abject stupidity:
And note Poolman, Guttmacher is Planned Parenthood’s propaganda arm, so you can spare us the accusation of fudging numbers. These are Planned Parenthood’s own numbers, dummy.
http://www.nationalrighttolifenews.org/news/2011/04/why-the-claim-that-abortion-is-%E2%80%9Conly-3-of-planned-parenthood%E2%80%99s-services%E2%80%9D-is-so-radically-misleading/
I’m certain I have had this debate before – more than once. I don’t expect to change any minds. And I still don’t need to resort to name calling over it.
There is a fundamentalist Christian that has his own site – one Neil Simpson at Eternity Matters. We went round and round, never reaching common ground. The more we discussed the issue, the more emotional and condescending he became. He eventually banned me after I had pointed to much of the hypocrisy in the “pro-life” crowd. Later he let me comment, though moderated and often he’d edit my comments.
Neil volunteers and advocates for these “Crisis Pregnancy Centers” that are also receiving donations AND tax revenues. These are primarily run and staffed by people that declare themselves Christians. Often the centers are located near PP offices. Many of these volunteers are well-intentioned.
Research bears out that most of these places are not what they claim and they offer much less than they claim. Their pregnancy test kits are the same offered in the local drugstores. Their primary push is sonograms and guilt.
From what I have learned over the past few years is that they do MUCH to turn people AWAY from the church and God, and rather do more to foster condemnation. Guilt is a powerful motivator, for sure. I have encountered a few folks that have been through their “counseling”. They were not impressed.
Until they offer REAL services that women in “crisis” need, they will NEVER replace what PP does provide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_pregnancy_center
Well, Poolman. As usual, you find what you want to find without any personal experience or actually seeking what is, and not confirmation of your mooching, leeching, progressive, Obama abortion loving rubedom, and false sense of christianity you practice with a miniature ‘c’.
I have volunteered in a Mend Crisis Pregnancy Center, called exactly that. I know exactly what at least one of these places claim, and can verify with my own experience and my own dime, that while they do indeed provide prenatal care and sonograms, they also provide:
Diapers, cribs, cradles, swings, toys, formula, bottles, blankets, and counseling for the mother, including lactation, all the way to toddler age, to be determined on a need basis. And they don’t receive a damn dime from the source of your personal family income called the federal government, refusing to accept government funding of any type. Everything is received through charity of fundraisers, volunteers and churches, and Good Samaritans, of which you’re not worthy to comment further, you piece of crap.
So until you can verify with your own eyes that these crisis pregnancy centers are not what they represent, I would suggest you shut your vicious, propagandizing, stupid, lying mouth and do something useful besides sitting on your sorry ass perusing your jackboot, thuggish, fascist sites like Planned Parenthood, and admit you’re too stupid to refute what I just provided, deeming you a congenital liar?
Now, get your sorry ass back over to Fat Grannies where you belong.
Well most CPCs, as I stated, do NOT have as reputable a record. I purposely did not include all CPCs in my criticism. It seems the MEND center DOES have an almost immaculate reputation and refuses federal funding. It is definitely an exception and should be a model for them all.
Good for you for volunteering, Tex. It’s nice to “see” a redeeming quality.